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2015-12-03 13:49:45 +0000 <ircbrowse> :)
2015-12-03 13:51:18 +0000rubenwardy(~rubenward@unaffiliated/rubenwardy)
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2015-12-03 14:27:55 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Heya, ircbrowse
2015-12-03 14:28:12 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Sorry, just got back from errands. Is this your first time in the channel?
2015-12-03 14:29:23 +0000snacks(~me@124-168-183-214.dyn.iinet.net.au)
2015-12-03 14:47:23 +0000singpolyma(~singpolym@CPE10feedfaaf7d-CM0c473d2b7590.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
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2015-12-03 15:10:55 +0000 <JazzyEagle> fpbot: tell wolftune The additional features I was referring to on the old navbar include account balance & total monthly pledge. The old widget had DB calls to pull that data in, but they're not in defaultLayoutNew. I'm assuming we'd want to throw those DB pulls into a Model function somewhere, though. Not sure where.
2015-12-03 15:10:55 +0000 <fpbot> JazzyEagle, your memo for wolftune has been saved.
2015-12-03 15:33:21 +0000chreekat(~b@unaffiliated/chreekat)
2015-12-03 15:34:47 +0000 <chreekat> fyi ircbrowse is a bot. :) I "requested" (https://github.com/chrisdone/ircbrowse/pull/13) that Snowdrift get added and it did!
2015-12-03 15:34:59 +0000 <chreekat> So now we have a gorgeous irc log: http://ircbrowse.net/snowdrift
2015-12-03 15:35:04 +0000 <JazzyEagle> chreekat: Ahhh, that would explain the lack of response. :)
2015-12-03 15:52:38 +0000MSiep(~Thunderbi@75-166-111-224.hlrn.qwest.net)
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2015-12-03 16:45:56 +0000wolftune(~aaron@75-164-147-136.ptld.qwest.net)
2015-12-03 16:47:02 +0000 <wolftune> chreekat: better than http://botbot.me/ ?
2015-12-03 16:47:28 +0000 <wolftune> chreekat: and if we're moving to public logging, we should warn people / add it to the topic…
2015-12-03 16:47:54 +0000 <wolftune> I have mixed feelings about public logging, mostly positive but som trepidation
2015-12-03 16:48:53 +0000 <chreekat> it's haskell, MIT, run by Chris Done, Haskell focus, some fun statistics. Does look better than botbot, which I've never heard of
2015-12-03 16:49:55 +0000 <wolftune> chreekat: cool
2015-12-03 16:50:02 +0000 <singpolyma> +1 public logging
2015-12-03 16:50:41 +0000 <wolftune> okay fine
2015-12-03 16:51:15 +0000 <JazzyEagle> We're an open source project supporting and requiring open documentation on our site in an open chat room for anyone. Why would anyone be worried about public logging?
2015-12-03 16:51:28 +0000 <wolftune> alright, agreed, logging is fine
2015-12-03 16:51:57 +0000 <wolftune> fpbot: tell fr33domlover with public logging, we can just have fpbot say "you missed X messages" with a link to ircbrowse.net to see them
2015-12-03 16:51:57 +0000 <fpbot> wolftune, your memo for fr33domlover has been saved.
2015-12-03 16:52:07 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Personally, I don't really care much anyway. The only thing I like about the public logging option is I can catch up w/ more than just 10 lines of history should I get disconnected.
2015-12-03 16:52:27 +0000 <chreekat> indeed, and with that, is there still anything snowbot does that fpbot doesn't do?
2015-12-03 16:53:10 +0000 <singpolyma> other rooms I'm in (like #indiewebcamp) people sometimes even link to old bits of public logs for continued discussion/reference
2015-12-03 16:53:19 +0000 <wolftune> chreekat: no, we can kill snowbot, the only issue is having backup of the fpbot code / it will go down if fr33domlover's server goes
2015-12-03 16:59:06 +0000 <JazzyEagle> chreekat: Quick question for you... When you transferred all of the navbar stuff out of the old widget, did you create new functions for the user's remaining balance and total pledges?
2015-12-03 16:59:58 +0000 <JazzyEagle> That's probably the only thing missing from the navbar at this time, and I didn't know if we wanted to try to tackle this while I'm wiring it up.
2015-12-03 17:10:02 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: mray doesn't want that in the navbar
2015-12-03 17:10:54 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: we *will* need that data to be present on the user's landing page, and we can go back in the git history to get that code if we don't decide that we'd rather handle it a different way
2015-12-03 17:12:44 +0000 <JazzyEagle> I'm not sure I agree with that. Some of the stuff he wanted on the navbar originally are things that aren't really useful after someone gets familiar with the website... A "How It Works" link. They're not going to use that on a regular basis. A link to Project Signup... A common patron may never need that, and those wanting to start a project won't need it after a project is set up. Why have those in
2015-12-03 17:12:47 +0000 <JazzyEagle> the navbar?
2015-12-03 17:13:37 +0000 <JazzyEagle> What we need in the navbar are things that will be useful on a regular basis. The search bar, though I'm not sure how exactly that will ultimately work, makes sense. The list of links under the username makes sense.
2015-12-03 17:13:44 +0000 <JazzyEagle> The avatar is nice, but not necessary.
2015-12-03 17:16:35 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: I agree with you, but aside from discussing with mray, he's the designer. So, we can and should express our opinions, but it's not okay to overrule him and just put things back in the navbar that he doesn't want just because we're doing the coding
2015-12-03 17:17:10 +0000 <wolftune> he felt that the numbers in the navbar make people focus too much on tracking the numbers where they should instead just check them when they have a reason to
2015-12-03 17:17:43 +0000 <wolftune> FWIW, I agree with you that some of the stuff in the navbar design may not make full sense
2015-12-03 17:23:03 +0000 <JazzyEagle> wolftune: Ok, now that response is a little concerning to me, as mray keeps saying he's focusing on the design itself and not specifically the content.
2015-12-03 17:23:30 +0000 <JazzyEagle> And even when asking about the footer, you told me to go ahead and make decisions about things.
2015-12-03 17:23:36 +0000 <JazzyEagle> So, I was making changes to what links existed.
2015-12-03 17:25:00 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: some of mray's mockups are not reflecting a final design decision
2015-12-03 17:25:18 +0000 <JazzyEagle> wolftune: The problem is, there IS no final design decision.
2015-12-03 17:25:22 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: and it's fine to make various sensible decisions as we go, especially if it's not clear about things
2015-12-03 17:25:35 +0000 <JazzyEagle> And every time I ask for one, I get blank stares.
2015-12-03 17:25:51 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Last time I was told to make the decisions myself, so that's what I started doing.
2015-12-03 17:25:54 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: in the case of the funding stats, mray specifically *did* decide that he does *not* want them in the navbar
2015-12-03 17:26:02 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Where is that documented?
2015-12-03 17:26:12 +0000 <wolftune> it should have been documented somewhere sorry
2015-12-03 17:26:38 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Even if it were documented somewhere, wolftune, there are SO many places that we're documenting. I can't comb it all looking for something.
2015-12-03 17:26:43 +0000 <wolftune> that's okay
2015-12-03 17:26:55 +0000 <wolftune> point is, if we're not sure about a design decision, we can discuss it
2015-12-03 17:27:00 +0000 <JazzyEagle> We have the wiki, the discussion boards, the e-mail list, IRC (and we havent' been keeping history), the etherpad...
2015-12-03 17:27:18 +0000 <JazzyEagle> I've been *trying* to discuss it.
2015-12-03 17:27:25 +0000 <JazzyEagle> For weeks now!!
2015-12-03 17:27:25 +0000 <wolftune> I'm just telling you that for *this* case, we're gonna not keep the fund numbers in the navbar
2015-12-03 17:27:39 +0000 <wolftune> right, I just mean each item
2015-12-03 17:28:06 +0000 <wolftune> like, with the links in the footer, if something clearly makes sense to you, you can do it, and if you're not sure, we can discuss it
2015-12-03 17:30:08 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: basically, it works like this: we go with mray's decisions as a default for now, bringing up any disagreements
2015-12-03 17:30:24 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Well, I set up the footer the best I can. I feel like I'm missing stuff, or I'm not laying it out well enough. If you could please pull the branch and let me know what you think of it, I would appreciate it.
2015-12-03 17:30:27 +0000 <wolftune> or questions
2015-12-03 17:30:42 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: okay
2015-12-03 17:31:09 +0000 <wolftune> JazzyEagle: which branch?
2015-12-03 17:31:18 +0000 <JazzyEagle> And maybe when mray gets on, maybe we can hop on jit.si and go through the home page link by link and make sure we're all in agreement.
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2015-12-03 17:31:39 +0000 <JazzyEagle> wolftune: new-home-and-intro
2015-12-03 17:32:41 +0000 <wolftune> I have a doctor's appt and will be gone soon for that
2015-12-03 17:32:49 +0000 <wolftune> will be back in the afternoon
2015-12-03 17:32:51 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Ok.
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2015-12-03 18:04:20 +0000 <chreekat> JazzyEagle: negative, no new mechanism functions yet
2015-12-03 18:07:22 +0000 <chreekat> JazzyEagle: also, I share your sentiments regarding specs. My next task coming up is to create a new test suite that will be the canonical source for page specifications wrt what links/content they have
2015-12-03 18:07:37 +0000 <chreekat> emphasis on canonical
2015-12-03 18:10:15 +0000 <JazzyEagle> chreekat: canonical... Hopefully there won't be four gospels according to wolftune, chreekat, mray and jazzyeagle... They may not all say the same thing... ;)
2015-12-03 18:10:23 +0000 <JazzyEagle> hehe j/k
2015-12-03 18:12:31 +0000 <chreekat> hehe
2015-12-03 18:12:53 +0000 <chreekat> in the meanwhile, we simply can't stress about getting everything right
2015-12-03 18:14:12 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Well, I could send the MR of what I have, but I'm not really happy with the footer.
2015-12-03 18:14:31 +0000 <JazzyEagle> The navbar, I'm kind of not 100% certain about, either.
2015-12-03 18:15:13 +0000 <JazzyEagle> We hav ethe Browse Projects link in the navbar AND in the footer. I think that's overkill.
2015-12-03 18:15:44 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Maybe I can put the Browse links (Projects & Users) in the navbar and leave the about Snowdrift stuff in the footer by its lonesome.
2015-12-03 18:17:09 +0000chreekatshrugs
2015-12-03 18:19:17 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Don't like that idea?
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2015-12-03 18:31:12 +0000 <chreekat> no opinion
2015-12-03 18:33:06 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Ok.
2015-12-03 18:33:23 +0000 <JazzyEagle> Well, I'm going to try it that way and see what people think.
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2015-12-03 19:01:27 +0000 <JazzyEagle> chreekat: I wanted to ask you about some of the pages: /priv (PrivacyR) & /tou (ToUR, Terms Of Use) are not coming up in the dev version, even though they're listed in config/routes, but are live in production. Any idea why that might be?
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